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Is there an unnecessary rift within the urbex community?

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New member here, but far from new to urbex. I have always had an interest in exploring and adventuring within abandoned locations.

When I explore I take images and video and I upload to my YouTube channel. I notice that there appears to be a fairly sizable rift between Stills photographers and videographers (mainly YouTubers).

As I said before I am a YouTuber but I don't beg for likes and subscriptions. I  research locations, explore it and document it. None of this "smash the like button" or "nearly died" fakery that a lot of video people do simply to generate exposure. I think genuine urban explorers whether they are stills people or video people actually have more in common than they think and Perhaps we should be more worried about outright fakery that occurs on both sides of the spectrum. Within the YouTube urbex community, there is a genuine distaste for people who are creating fake content. The term that is widely used is "urbex theatre". It's a work of fiction, dressed up to be an explore.

The same occurs within the photography sector where people are manipulating images to the extent they do not even resemble the original location. There are also situations where people rearrange locations to set up their shots (photo or video) and this really just takes away from the whole abandoned theme.

Genuine explorers are genuine explorers regardless of the medium you choose to record your explores on, or the platform you choose to display your work. Would love to hear your thoughts on this...

 

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In my opinion, filming in itself isn't the problem.

But unfortunately it's a fact that many YouTuber give lurid titles to their videos (like "corpse found in Buker", "secret discovered in a hidden chamber" or similar stupid headlines).

In addition, the shots are sometimes not only shaky and out of focus / blurry; but, moreover, videos are frequently posted in dozens of groups, a lot of times combined with the paltry begging "Like / share / comment".

All this, just to get as much attention as possible.

After all, it really gets bad, when people are filming themselfes, when they shattering & destroying something in abandoned places, smashing window panes, and so on (and to make matters worse, such immature idiots think they are great...).

Of course, you're absolutely right that not all YouTuber are like that. But all this together, after all, has resulted that publications on YouTube fell into disrepute.

Also for these reasons mentioned above, we finally have closed the video area in the forum. Videos are accepted here only as an accessory now, the main part of a posting must consist of photos.

Yes, admittedly, to some "genuine" ( = trustworthy) explorers, we may do wrong with this. But, unfortunately, "unwanted" videos have become more here too, which is why we decided to take this step. And as I said: at least, there is still the possibility to include videos in photo posts.

"Black sheeps" are everywhere, you're right. Also with the photographers.

I also don't like it at all, when "alleged explorers" completely change things in rooms for their photos. Because that ultimately destroys the authenticity of the abandoned places.

Yes; I also already have put things away, like ugly blue garbage bags or annoying legacies from previous visitors (such as empty cigarette packs or things like that). But I wouldn't usually think, to move items or furnishings. I visit a place, enjoy it, take my pictures, and go again. That's it.

What's really stupid is when photographers lay tables with dishes, pour glasses, and so on... However, unfortunately, arranging and decorating of things in abandoned places has become normal for many photographers. But as I said - there will always be black sheeps, no matter where or at what...

 
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It is saddening that all YouTubers have become tarred with the same brush, so to speak, as there are certainly one or two genuine explorers such as yourself who post their findings in video format on YouTube. However, they are few and far between, and the vast majority of the urbex videos on YouTube are just clickbait nonsense. It's nice to see the few that are good documentary style videos that explain the location properly, when they come up.

I agree, there is a lot of rubbish posted in the form of photographic reports too, however the problem is that YouTube videos are seen by a much wider audience. The average non-explorer viewer sees all these YouTube videos and thinks that is what urban exploring is. It's not what I do, and it's not what is done by almost any genuine urban explorer who is out there finding new locations, but whenever I mention to somebody that I do urban exploring they reply with oh yeah I've seen the videos on YouTube, and I cringe!

 

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I don't find the way people are recording thier explores an issue at all, however I do also belive it takes more of a "knack" to film a Youtube video than it does to take photos.

You can skim across a report with naff pictures, you can't really with a video. Who wants to hear you and your makes heavy breathing? people are often more selective about what they post when its a picture. Oh, and the fact they show entry half the time.

Now a GOOD video is fine, no more than 2 or 3 minutes, highlights of an explore, and well narrated rather than shitty drum N bass.

If we saw more of those, the ban on solely video reports may not have come along. The reason we allow "hybrid" types is to enable both interests.

Essentially, if there's no thought put into the video of its quality, or awareness of its effect on the wider community, I have no time for it.

Can photos still have the same effect? to an extent yes, but its also a lot easier to moderate if it needs to be.

 
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I do tend to agree with most comments posted here. I also appreciate you not tarring us all with the same brush. What I specifically like about watching a video is you can be taken on a "tour" and have a proper look around. With images, I find it hard to imagine myself at the location. When I set out to film a location I try and provide a video that provides some information. I do my research. A lot of the locations I visit are wartime ruins, so there is very often a lot of history surrounding them.

As for people trashing locations... They aren't explorers. They may try and lay under the guise of being explorers but we all know what they are.

 

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As for people trashing locations... They aren't explorers. They may try and lay under the guise of being explorers but we all know what they are.

Yes, of course they aren't explorers, by no means! But unfortunately some of them, who watch such videos, connect the seen falsely with our hobby.

 

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Yes, of course they aren't explorers, by no means! But unfortunately some of them, who watch such videos, connect the seen falsely with our hobby.
Anyone who hasnt got a genuine interest in exploring wont last 5 min on a "exploring forum". If their thread title said "body found in bunker" for example it would be delete by admin or they would be slated to the point of leaving.
For that reason reports with stills are generally of a reasonable quality (although some facebook groups are becoming a little dubious)
Problem is there is no restrictions on youtube anyone can post any crap they like so percentage wise there is a lot of crap exploring vids (because they most likely cant post on a decent forum). Unfortunately people like my 13yr old lad will continue to watch them because he genuinely believes a professional youtuber is a career choice!
 

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I do tend to agree with most comments posted here. I also appreciate you not tarring us all with the same brush. What I specifically like about watching a video is you can be taken on a "tour" and have a proper look around. With images, I find it hard to imagine myself at the location. When I set out to film a location I try and provide a video that provides some information. I do my research. A lot of the locations I visit are wartime ruins, so there is very often a lot of history surrounding them.

As for people trashing locations... They aren't explorers. They may try and lay under the guise of being explorers but we all know what they are.
As already said in this thread, if there were a few more people that did videos to that sort of standard, there may not have been the issue.

To be honest, I dont think I have ever seen one to the standard you describe. I'll be in touch with you as I am interested as to what you do.

Unfortunately people like my 13yr old lad will continue to watch them because he genuinely believes a professional youtuber is a career choice!
Unfortunately, it is a career choice of sorts. It makes a disgusting amount of money done correctly. Self gratification and good money (career).
 

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As already said in this thread, if there were a few more people that did videos to that sort of standard, there may not have been the issue.

To be honest, I dont think I have ever seen one to the standard you describe. I'll be in touch with you as I am interested as to what you do.



Unfortunately, it is a career choice of sorts. It makes a disgusting amount of money done correctly. Self gratification and good money (career).
When I became redundant in 2013 I turned to my YouTube channel (mostly not urbex) as a main source of income (along with some related stuff). For the first time in my life I was doing a job I really enjoyed. I don't understand why that's "unfortunate". Not having a boss or time schedule you must follow beats a regular job any day. I would encourage any 13 year old to do the same if they are already building a good following.
I have a few reports to post but I need to understand the forum's vibe before hand. Right now I am even more confused by the anti video stance having read this thread. For example, it is necessary on YouTube to make good attractive titles, it's like a shop window display. It's what brings people in. It's only clickbait if it's a lie or gross exaggeration. One of my own videos has "death trap" in the title because that's how several people have described the mine. I would challenge anyone to watch it and dismiss it as one of the low standard videos mentioned above. Posting the link here I am sure would be considered spam so I won't unless I make a report. As a newbie it feels like there is a degree of snobbery going on and not sure if I am suited here. After this post I may not even be welcome.
 

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When I became redundant in 2013 I turned to my YouTube channel (mostly not urbex) as a main source of income (along with some related stuff). For the first time in my life I was doing a job I really enjoyed. I don't understand why that's "unfortunate". Not having a boss or time schedule you must follow beats a regular job any day. I would encourage any 13 year old to do the same if they are already building a good following.
I have a few reports to post but I need to understand the forum's vibe before hand. Right now I am even more confused by the anti video stance having read this thread. For example, it is necessary on YouTube to make good attractive titles, it's like a shop window display. It's what brings people in. It's only clickbait if it's a lie or gross exaggeration. One of my own videos has "death trap" in the title because that's how several people have described the mine. I would challenge anyone to watch it and dismiss it as one of the low standard videos mentioned above. Posting the link here I am sure would be considered spam so I won't unless I make a report. As a newbie it feels like there is a degree of snobbery going on and not sure if I am suited here. After this post I may not even be welcome.
I may have come across incorrectly in what I meant by my description of the earning potential.

On the whole, earning money from YouTube is no problem in my eyes. It’s how it’s been adopted by a large number of “explorers” who are doing so simply for that reason. It’s a hobby. To turn it into something else goes against the idea of preservation, as most of the time it’s a go pro strapped to someone’s head revealing access details etc. There’s nothing in the way of even attempting to conceal what will ultimately lead to the location getting trashed, and when the objective is to get as many views as possible to generate revenue that simply accelerates its demise.

There is a vast difference between posting pictures on a forum, and posting a video on YouTube. It can be controlled easier by the admin (they will know what’s going on in the community perhaps better than the poster). This ranges from moving it to a non public area to editing out access details. Non public isn’t really compatible with earning revenue.

95% of the videos I have seen have no sensitivity towards this, have click bait titles (not as you describe, you have my agreement there) or are of someone walking about with pounding drum and bass as “background “ music.

We also banned them because what was being posted simply served as a click from the forum to YouTube. No meaningful comments on the threads at all. No value to our community.

What we do allow is “hybrid “ reports. All you need to do is post the video AND some photos, with a description. That way it caters to both audiences.

I hope my reply is detailed enough to dispel the your opinion of us being snobs, or not feeling welcome, unless you make yourself that of course.

Feel free to PM me a link so I can see for myself.
 
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