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  1. First report in a couple years, still been getting out and about but just been very busy with other life admin for reports, got a day at home on the sick twiddling my thumbs so thought i would write summit up about our trip to red sands last year. Did the trip with bigjobs, paradox, riddlers, FB, slayaa and a few other guys who i think are registered but post on the forums even less than me so god knows what their usernames are. Bit of History The Maunsell Forts are armed towers built in the Thames and Mersey estuaries during the Second World War to help defend the United Kingdom. They were operated as army and navy forts, and named after their designer, Guy Maunsell. The forts were decommissioned in the late 1950s and later used for other activities including pirate radio broadcasting. One of the forts is managed by the unrecognised Principality of Sealand; boats visit the remaining forts occasionally, and a consortium called Project Redsands is planning to conserve the fort situated at Red Sands. In the summers of 2007 and 2008 Red Sands Radio, a station commemorating the pirate radio stations of the 1960s, operated from the Red Sands fort on 28-day Restricted Service Licences. The fort was subsequently declared unsafe, and Red Sands Radio has moved its operations ashore to Whitstable. Previously, forts had been built in rivermouths and similar locations to defend against ships, such as the Grain Tower Batteryat the mouth of the Medway dating from 1855, Plymouth Breakwater Fort, completed 1865, the four Spithead Forts: Horse Sand Fort, No Mans Land and St Helens Forts which were built 1865-80; and Spitbank Fort, built in the 1880s, the Humber Forts on Bull & Haile Sands, completed in late 1919, and the Nab Tower, intended as part of a World War I anti-submarine defence but only set in place in 1920. There are seven towers in the Red Sands group, at the mouth of the Thames Estuary. These towers were previously connected by metal grate walk-ways. In 1959 consideration was given to refloating the Red Sands Fort and bringing the towers ashore, but the costs were prohibitive.[18] In the early 21st century there were threats that the fort could be demolished so a group called Project Redsands was formed to try and preserve the fort. It is currently the only fort that can be accessed safely from a platform in between the legs of one of the towers.[ The explore Wanted to do this since seeing bigjobs and FBs trip out their on the kayaks through the mist, if you havent seen it already definitely well worth a look, makes for a better read than mine will anyway! We didn't fancy the kayaks this time so we all got the outboards out and set sale with some horsepower behind us.....untill mine died, i say until it died, it never really got going, overheated and cut out in a puff of smoke in the first 5 minutes. That was my first outboard, i had a smaller backup outboard just in case of any such incidents as the first bigger outboard i had literally collected off ebay on the way down. anyway long outboard story short, i got towed out by bigjobs, that was once we eventually got in the water, everyone else had already been out one night but me and sarah were late to the party so we came in first thing. i say first thing, we were late to meet up with jobs and ended up chasing the tide with all the gear, would get half the gear out to the waters edge then by the time the other half was in the same spot the bloody tide had moved another 10m! We did eventually get in the water and headed out to the forts. On the approach to the sea fort we passed through some leisure boats circling the forts taking tourists out to see the forts, no doubt all wondering what the hell was going because just as we pulled in the riddlers came zipping down the rope and landed in FBs rib like a pro navy seal. We got the boats tied up and ascended up to the forts to crack open a beer and enjoy the views! FB and riddlers decided they were going to have a pop at getting up one of the other struts to see if they could get a line across vertically with the crossbow to sort out a traverse, they got the line across but then beers and food happened so no one went for the traverse. Had a lovely evening on the forts, amazing sunset watching the freight ships chugging past. FB and jane went for a jolly out to the wind farm Time for tea and bangers and mash was on the menu but i had forgotten my camping gas, luckily i managed to bodge my camping stove onto a big bottle of calor gas which had been left on the fort, bit of rubber hose a few cable ties and a bit of dismantling on the burners part and the bangers mash was a success! We woke up to fairly choppy waters, made for a rushed and slightly tense departure in the morning, the choppy waters had snapped one of the lines holding the boats in position ready to ab down into. The boats were now drifting about 10m away from the bottom of the ab rope. cant remember who it was now, either fb or riddlers had to ab down and try and drag all the boats over back in line underneath the ab rope and then get a line out to replace the snapped one. We got lucky with the rope that did snap, if the other line had snapped the current would have dragged the boats into the struts and the barnacles would have torn the boats to shreds and we really would have been up shit creek. oh yeah i forgot, at this point we had yet another dead outboard! the riddlers pull chord had snapped off the day before, i went on the hunt round the forts and found a rusty old socket set in an old toolbox so the first job once back in the boats in the choppy sea was for law to try and get his outboard sorted. luckily the sea did begin to calm down as we were all abing down into the boats and we set back off without any major incidents. It was a big realization just what a relentless and unforgiving force the sea can be, as an awesome and adventure as this is its one that can go wrong very quickly. There had been plenty of prep and investment gone into this adventure, we made sure everyone had suitable life jackets, radios, flares, everyone had rope experience, big help having someone who knows their way around an outboard engines etc etc, its certainly not a walk in the park operation! big thanks to jobs, for getting everything all rigged up prior to our arrival, it sounds like you all had a rough time of it getting up there the first night! The approach Riddlers doing his navy seal impresson Going up Right tools for the job. Some internals. bed for the night The bangers and mash will go on! Thanks for reading and bigger thanks to everyone who made it happen. see you again in 2 years for another report!
  2. spotted this while out with the family ,made a note where it was and went back for a look one room at the back had caught fire and collapsed in on the sitting room , i cant go to much into detail about the fire , it wasnt arson ,it is due to its location and proximity to somthing that causes sparks only a small place with 3 tiny bedrooms and a few bits and bobs lots of cobwebs and flies the light was left on to make it appear used , due to its location it will probably just get demolished eventualy and replaced with a new one thanks for looking
  3. We didn't really know what to expect with this one, only found on Google Earth, few recent informations... But life can also be surprising, and this time, it was good ! ? Built during the 13th century and redesign during the 14th and the 18th, it was finally bought by a famous author in the mid 50's. Well known to be a writing haven for the writer, the castle is also known to have hosted some memorable parties with memorable people : Authors, journalists even politics... The Castle was sold a few years the death of his owner to a businessman who wanted to create a place dedicated solely to Art But nothing happened since then... The castle now stand, almost empty, in the middle of nowhere, waiting for a new life.
  4. what a lovely find this one was, gonna keep this really short as i am using the on screen keyboard haha thanks. thanks guys
  5. This is an old set of pics from Aug 2012 but I wanted to try out my new image host and haven't posted this on here Situated in one of Manchesters up and coming areas (it can't get an worse) the outfall is a large 9 foot pipe protected by high walls and the waist deep river Once inside it's a casual stroll with a number of nice features The brickwork is stunning inside, the Victorians really didn't mess about when it came to engineering project The Drain Fairy sits inside watching over all those who walk in From here it's not so pleasant The First set of stairs Twin pipes My pic of the penstock blurred so I will have to make a return visit soon
  6. Early morning Sunday mooch around a choice bit of Birmingham industry? Yeah... Don't mind if I do!! And seeing as its a local job, I'll be back soon as I didn't have time to cover it all... With a WEALTH of machinery and gubbins left behind, I could have quite happily wasted most of the day here... ...The West Bromwich Spring Company... Thanks for lookin' in...
  7. Taken a bit of time but now up to date with my latest explores, this one was in two parts, Sunday and last night. Over the years I have past this place hundreds of times and after seeing it redundant have stopped by but never been able to get in. Then Sunday I had a text asking if I wanted to have a look as he had been given a entry point. It don't take me long to decide which answer it was going to be, lucky I was already home from the track I work but my mate only had limited time (Hence the two visits) We got there and his information was correct but a little on the tight side but we (We met a extra 2 went last night) in but did not think there was so much left and soon ran out of time. There was a notice on the gate Sunday with a different newer one there last night, both said the place will be demolished on or after the 20th Oct 2014 and they had failed to get anyone to be able to buy the place they had plenty of offers but they were unable to come up with the money. Over the two visits I took 140 odd photos and these can be found here https://www.flickr.com/photos/cunningplan/sets/72157646299605246/ A few from last night Sadly it will not be long for this stunning building
  8. This church had stood derelict for 10 years when it caught fire in 2011. The year before it had been bought by a muslim charity to be made into community a community centre. As you can see it was severley damaged and now stands rotting even more. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. Well hopefully I will keep up with regular posts from now on. Thanks and I hope you enjoyed.
  9. This was one for the first places I saw when I started this lark and always wanted to go and have a look, so last weekend my sparring partner and myself set off at a early hour and made our way down the M4. We got to our parking place and walked in. I must say we were very disappointed that we were unable to get into the main building due to new woodwork over some of the windows and doors. To make the most of it we headed into the other buildings avoiding the cottage at the front of the building. Still managed nearly a hour and half there so came away happy. Full set here https://www.flickr.com/photos/cunningplan/sets/72157646634353490/ That's all folks!!!!!
  10. This is the first house I've had the opportunity to explore so far, not an area that has interested me so much so far but I really liked this place, it's aged and decayed really well and had some beautiful soft light in there along with many items of interest. Visited with The_Raw, Trollface and PocFan1984. Unfortunately I know hardly anything about the history of the place, at the entrance to a long forest pathway there is a small shrine with a plaque quoting some dates in the early 40's. There were a number of personal items in the house, with a better grasp of Flemish and a bit more time could be possible to build a story from the contents but I had neither. The earliest dated document I found was 1898 and the most recent was 1978. One room contained an absolutely massive bed (length wise) which is why the title is what it is. A desk with books, papers and artefacts strewn around it. Exterior shot. Main staircase. On-site security. The Giant's Bed, the bed was maybe 11 feet long, something massive, bit strange! A daily journal dated 1898. One of many photos littered around this room. Cradles and baskets Detail on the window. That desk again. The house was in a poor state of repair, found this in one very dark room.. Thankfully no one was hurt and we could have a laugh about it. Plenty more rooms and objects to photograph here, well worth a little visit as although very aged it seemed to have not been vandalised for the most part. The high-res pics as well as a few extras are on my blog page, linked back to OblivionState. http://www.unexposed.photography/Visits/AbandonedCottageBEL
  11. This was our 3rd port of call for the day, the second was the woollen mill which was my 4th time and have already done a report on here in the past. I took a few new photos and just added them to my flickr album here. https://www.flickr.com/photos/cunningplan/sets/72157642863616254/ Luckily I was told how to get here or I would never have found it down all the narrow lanes. I have no history on this place and while there is still a few odds and ends about there's not that much. as normal all the photos can be found here https://www.flickr.com/photos/cunningplan/sets/72157646574574992/ That's all from here, From here we went to the House of Dolls (More photos added here https://www.flickr.com/photos/cunningplan/sets/72157645900330756/ ) and then went to Easter Cottage where we were unable to get in
  12. A large justice building undergoing renovations. There is only one room worth seeing here, but what a room it is!! 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. Thanks for looking you can find the full set here
  13. This was the 2nd quarry i visited on this weekend away and all i can say is wow, the place is absolutely huge like nothing ive seen before, i spent 10 hours on site and i dont think i saw even a 3rd of it, didnt get too see any of the low down underground levels as i just concentrated on the overground stuff on this visit, absolutely loved the slate buildings, pump houses, old rickety ladders everywhere, the scenery and just everything about the place, cant wait to go back again and explore the other levels and go right to the very top as there is so much that i havent seen, i think it will take me at least another 5 visits to see all that i want too see there. sorry for the 20 pics but i took so many its hard too choose the ones i like the most. enjoy. small bit of history: The Dinorwic Slate Quarry is a large former slate quarry, now home to the Welsh National Slate Museum, It was the second largest slate quarry in Wales, indeed in the world,It covers more than 700 acres (2.8 km2) consisting of two main quarry sections with 20 galleries in each and a number of ancillary workings. Extensive internal tramway systems connected the quarries using inclines to transport slate between galleries. The first commercial attempts at slate mining took place in 1787 and continued through different ownerships up until 1969. it was producing 100,000 tonnes a year in its peak and employing over 3000 people.
  14. This was the first of 2 slate mines/quarry's that i visited this weekend, the scenery blew me away at this place as much as the explore itself, plenty to see here with all the old slate buildings pump houses etc, big lake itself is used by divers and hides alot of the good stuff, the lake is up to 150 feet deep and under the water their is a vast system of tunnels and also, cars, vans, cranes, houses etc etc, would love too see it but i don't do scuba diving and also there is a few divers each year that die here as they get caught out by the sudden drop off's etc. The quarry was in production from 1820 to 1970 Great explore and somewhere i will 100% be going back to next year as there's still plenty i didnt see. hope you enjoy the pics. alan.
  15. Second time down here (And a 3rd trip planned) as its my type of place. Went to Tone Dale the first time but didn't think what was left was worth the hassle of getting in and my new sparing partner just wanted to go here anyway. As I said I really like this place and we even found a hidden place I missed the first time, it looked like a rain forest and the colours were brilliant, shame my photos don't show it in its full glory. Full set here as normal https://www.flickr.com/photos/cunningplan/sets/72157646143568375/ Cheers
  16. Hi =] Been meaning to check this place out for awhile and finally got round to it last weekend! The subway is almost all that's left from Crystal Palace High Level Station, a terminus on a now destroyed line, which lead directly into the back of the Crystal Palace. Passenger numbers fell after the destruction of the palace and the station was finally knocked down in the 60's. The subway survived the fire that destroyed the palace and was used as an air raid shelter during the war. Since then it's been for the most part inaccessible due to health and safety concerns and took a little bit of ingenuity to get down there. :] Not really quite as much fun but I understand there will be a small raffle to get access for London Open House next month. Looking down on the courtyard on the park side of the subway. One of the stairwells downwards. Looking out at the courtyard. The subway. Looking out towards park. Celing detail. Station side entrance to the subway, had a laugh trying to squeeze thru a gap here while some kids laughed at me from house opposite. Original retaining wall where the tracks would've once run. Here's the Paxton tunnel going under Sydenham Hill, was seriously locked up so not getting in here anytime soon. ;/ Understand the other side is bricked up and a tunnel further down the line is similar, but need to check it out sometime in case. Just a small explore but really enjoyed it none the less. Have my full set up on my website, Thanks for looking. :]
  17. Went on a mini tour the other Saturday with a couple of none members and the first stop was here. It was the main Police training centre for South Wales, not sure when it closed but it seams a while now. I was told some photos were lifted and posted on a local online magazine and security might be tight, so we drove around by the main gate and the security office was locked down and we could not see anyone, we made our way to our parking spot and was soon in. Its a big place and we decided to go down the front and work back to the entry point. We started in what we think was the admin block and then found a freezer room, (I told my mate it was the morgue and he believed me ) from there we made our way around the main building which contains the swimming pool and other good places, we were checking of access as we went. My mate was up ahead and then I could hear him talking to someone, at first I thought it was another explorer but when I walked around the corner it was secco. To be honest, he was a nice guy, made no fuss and just asked what we were doing there and how we got in. He told us that since the article, the security was now in the main building with one there during the day doing hourly walks and two at night doing the same. We asked if we could have a look in the main building but he said he couldn't and took us to the main gate, let us out and it was a long walk back to the car. I took very few photos and to be honest wasn't going to bother to post! there's not may more but the rest can be found here https://www.flickr.com/photos/cunningplan/sets/72157646603570475/ The morgue And that's as far as we got sorry
  18. After our look around Tone mill, we headed west down the M5 and took a look here. We were having heavy rain on the way down and it was pouring down when we got here, so as it was a long walk we went into the nearest town for breakfast until it stopped. First impressions of the place was it must have been a stunning building in it time and to be honest still is, but the inside comes second to Babies Castle in Kent for rot and dodgy floors, my mate nearly went through at one point We did have a third place on the list, we got where my satnav sent me and we just couldn't find it, we both didn't have any signal on our phones to get a map up and it wasn't until I got home I found it was the other side of the large hedge we were parked next to so that will have to wait until another day. Hope you like the photos with a full set here as normal https://www.flickr.com/photos/cunningplan/sets/72157646088505336/ Thanks for looking
  19. Checked this school out on a bit of a whim with a non member whilst doing something else in the area, we wasn't sure what to expect having not done any proper research on it, first impressions weren't good as it's looking very knackered outside, however inside it was a real treat, heavily boarded but despite this what light there is inside was spot on and seemed to add to it making it really photogenic, hence the overkill on the images (sorry) Mucho dead pigeons and their shit everywhere but to be expected the length it's been shut. The School was opened in 1913. According to Kelly’s Directory for 1914 “Easington Colliery School for boys, girls and infants when completed will have cost £21,000 for 1296 children; average attendance 320 boys, 310 girls and 325 infants. However further records show that the sexes were separated with the girls’ school opening 2nd March 1914 and the boys school, a year later on 26th May 1915. In the separate schools the seniors were upstairs and the younger ones downstairs,The boys building was at the top of the bank separated by two yards from the girls’ building which was further down the road, nearer to the colliery. Each department had its own yard with outside toilets. In the senior boys’ yard was a special building,tucked in the corner for woodwork with a matching one for cookery in the girls’ yard.** This arrangement continued until 1938 when the “New School†(always known as this even when it was about to be demolished in the 1990’s) was built. This building was between the colliery and the village in an area known locally as the ‘Waterworks’. The Schools closed mid 90's from what i can gather. .. .. .. .. .. .. Cheers for looking
  20. Working on a weekend should be illegal, so as I was in derpy and decided to go for a wander in Bordomiser. so the original culvert was built 130 odd years ago and has been added to over the years, it now measures over a kilometre across the centre of derpy.
  21. Info taken from Wikipedia... Littlewoods Business Empire. John, Colin Askham and Bill Hughes were friends who had worked together as Post Office messenger boys in Manchester. It was whilst looking for a new money-making idea that Moores came across John Jervis Barnard, a Birmingham man who had latched onto the public's growing passion for two things: football and betting. Moores had always been an avid football fan from when he was very young. Sports of all kinds had always interested him, He played amateur football himself until retiring at the age of 40. Barnard had devised a 'football pool', where punters would bet on the outcome of football matches. The payouts to winners came from the 'pool' of money that was bet, less 10 per cent to cover "management costs". It had not been particularly successful. Clearly, Barnard was struggling to make a profit, Moores got hold of a Barnard pools coupon and the three Manchester friends decided they could – and would – do it better. They could not let their employers, the Commercial Cable Company know what they were doing or they would be fired, No outside employment was allowed. That ruled out calling it the John Moores Football Pool or anything like it. Moores recalled years later: "Calling it the John Smith's football pool sounded a bit dodgy", the solution to that particular problem came from Colin Askham, He had been orphaned as a baby and been brought up by an aunt whose surname was Askham, but he had been born Colin Henry Littlewood And so, in 1923, the Littlewood Football Pool – as it was called originally – was started. Each of the three partners invested £50 of their own money into the venture and with the help of a small discreet and cheap printer they got to work. In 1923, £50 was a huge sum to invest in what – based on Barnard's experience – was a precarious venture and as Moores himself remembered: "As I signed my own cheque at the bank, my hands were damp, it seemed such a lot of money to be risking". A small office in Church Street, Liverpool, was rented and the first 4,000 coupons were distributed outside Manchester United's Old Trafford ground before one Saturday match that winter, Moores handed the coupons out himself, helped by some young boys eager to earn a few pennies. It was not an instant success & only 35 coupons came back & Bets totalled £4 7s 6d and the 10 per cent deducted did not even cover the three men’s expenses, they needed to take the idea to another level and quickly. So they decided to print 10,000 coupons and took them to Hull, where they were handed out before a big game, this time, only one coupon was returned. Their venture was about to collapse almost as soon as it had begun. In the canteen of the Commercial Cable Company the three partners had a hushed conversation, It was a crisis meeting. They had kept pumping money into the fledgling business but midway through the 1924-25 football season it was still losing money. The three young men were each £200 lighter in the pocket with no prospect of things improving. Bill Hughes suggested they cut their losses and forget the whole thing, Colin Askham agreed. They could see why John Jervis Barnard's idea of a football pool had failed in Birmingham, they expected Moores to concur but instead he said: "I'll pay each of you the £200 you've invested, if you'll sell me your shares", Moores admitted that he considered giving up on the business himself but was encouraged by his wife who told him "I would rather be married to a man who is haunted by failure rather than one haunted by regret". Moores kept faith and he paid Askham and Hughes £200 each. In 1928 Moores' younger brother Cecil devised a security system to prevent cheating, eventually the pools took off & become one of the best-known names in Britain. In January 1932, Moores by now a millionaire & was able to disengage himself sufficiently from the pools to start up Littlewoods Mail Order Store. This was followed on 6 July 1937 by the opening of the first Littlewoods department store in Blackpool. By the time World War II started there were 25 Littlewoods stores across the UK and over 50 by 1952. Later years Moores retired as chairman in October 1977 of Littlewoods and was succeeded by his son Peter, however, as profits fell (Moores remained on the board) he resumed the chairmanship in October 1980. He gave up this role again in May 1982 and was made life president of the organisation even though Moores remained involved until 1986. His family carried on running Littlewoods but John Clement succeeded Moores as chairman, Moore had two operations straight after each other on his achilles tendon and then for an enlarged prostate during the summer of 1986 but he never was quite the same again. At the 1987 League Cup final sponsored by Littlewoods, Moores was the guest of honour. In early 1988, by now mainly in a wheelchair, he was still visiting Littlewoods stores across the UK but he began to lose his speech shortly afterwards and gave that role up., Moores attended Everton football matches up to a few years before his death. On 25 September 1993, Sir John died at his home "Fairways" at Shireburn Road, Freshfield, Formby, where he had lived since 1930. He was cremated six days later at Southport. Two months after his death his estate was valued as being worth more than 10 million pounds. The Littlewoods businesses were sold to the Barclay Brothers nine years later in October 2002. More Pictures here.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157627501865884/ Thanks
  22. A 6:30 start made sure the ten of us were down at the Quarryman's arms as soon as it opened and stood by the entrance, ready to go at half ten. 10 hours later and a few tired legs we headed home, four noobs hooked, six explorers in awe. southern section later this year first report, constructive comments welcomed!
  23. A gem of a Chateau! Struggled to find any history on this bad boy! :( On with the pics: Cheers!!!! Chris
  24. Thought i'd throw a bit of history up about the The Triumph Motor Company. (stolen off the net) The Triumph Motor Company was a British motor manufacturer. The Triumph marque is currently owned by BMW. The marque had its origins in 1885 when Siegfried Bettmann (1863–1951) and Moritz (Maurice) Schulte from Germany founded Bettmann & Co and started selling Triumph bicycles from premises in London and from 1889 started making their own machines in Coventry, England. In 1930 the company changed its name to the Triumph Motor Company. It was clear to Holbrook that there was no future in pursuing the mass manufacturers and so decided to take the company upmarket with the Southern Cross and Gloria ranges. At first these used engines made by Triumph but designed by Coventry Climax but from 1937 they started to make them to their own designs by Donald Healey who had become the company’s Experimental Manager in 1934. The company hit financial problems however and in 1936 the Triumph bicycle and motorcycle businesses were sold, the latter to Jack Sangster of Ariel to become Triumph Engineering Co Ltd. Healey purchased an Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 and developed an ambitious new car with an Alfa inspired straight-8 engine called the Triumph Dolomite. However the eight-cylinder engine was not used in the production car with the same name. In July 1939, the Triumph Motor Company went into receivership and the factory, equipment and goodwill were offered for sale. T.W. Ward purchased the company and placed Healey in charge as general manager, but the effects of World War II again stopped the production of cars and the Priory Street works was completely destroyed by bombing in 1940. In November 1944 what was left of the Triumph Motor Company and the Triumph brand name were bought by the Standard Motor Company and a subsidiary "Triumph Motor Company (1945) Limited" was formed with production transferred to Standard's factory at Canley, on the outskirts of Coventry. Triumph's new owners had been supplying engines to Jaguar and its predecessor company since 1938. Following a "considerable argument" between Standard-Triumph Managing Director, Sir John Black, and William Lyons, the creator and owner of Jaguar, Black's objective in acquiring the rights to the name and the remnants of the bankrupt Triumph business was to build a car to compete with the soon to be launched post war Jaguars. The pre-war Triumph models were not revived and in 1946 a new range of Triumphs starting with the Triumph Roadster was announced. Because of steel shortages these were bodied in aluminium which was plentiful because of its use in aircraft production. The same engine was used in the 1800 Town and Country saloon, later named the Triumph Renown, which was notable for the razor-edge styling chosen by Standard-Triumph's managing director Sir John Black. A similar style was also used on the subsequent Triumph Mayflower light saloon. All three of these models prominently sported the "globe" badge that had been used on pre-war models. When Sir John was forced to retire from the company this range of cars was discontinued without being directly replaced, sheet aluminium having by now become a prohibitively expensive alternative to sheet steel for most auto-industry purposes. In the early 1950s it was decided to use the Triumph name on sporting cars and the Standard name on saloons and in 1953 the Triumph TR2 was launched, the first of a series that would run through to 1981. Curiously the TR2 wore a Standard badge on its nose and the Triumph globe on its hubcaps. Standard had been making a range of small saloons called the Standard Eight and Ten and had been working on a replacement for these. The success of the TR range meant that Triumph was seen as a more marketable name than Standard and the new car was launched in 1959 as the Triumph Herald; the last Standard car to be made in the UK was replaced in 1963 by the Triumph 2000 . Leyland and beyond.. In December 1960 the company was bought by Leyland Motors Ltd with Donald Stokes becoming chairman of the Standard Triumph division in 1963. Further mergers led to the formation of British Leyland Motor Corporation in 1968. In the 1960s and 1970s, Triumph sold a succession of Michelotti-styled saloons and sports cars, including the advanced Dolomite Sprint, which, in 1973, already had a 16-valve four cylinder engine. It is alleged that many Triumphs of this era were unreliable, especially the 2.5 PI (petrol injection) with its fuel injection problems. In Australia, the summer heat caused petrol in the electric fuel pump to vapourise, resulting in frequent breakdowns of the 2.5 PI and TR6 models. While the injection system had proved itself in international competition, it did lack altitude compensation for the adjustment of mixture at altitudes greater than 3000 ft (1000 m) above sea level. The key reason for the Lucas system's unpopularity, was that Lucas was not inclined to further develop it on the one hand allied to the unwillingness of Standard-Triumph dealers to attend factory and field-based training courses dedicated to this propulsion method. For most of its time under Leyland or BL ownership the Triumph marque belonged in the Specialist Division of the company which went under the names of Rover Triumph and later Jaguar Rover Triumph apart from a brief period in the mid 1970s when all BL's car marques or brands were grouped together under the name of Leyland Cars. The only all-new Triumph model launched under Rover Triumph was the TR7, which had the misfortune to be in production successively at three factories that were closed - Speke, the Leyland-era Standard-Triumph works in Liverpool, the original Standard works at Canley, Coventry and finally the Rover works in Solihull. The four-cylinder TR7, its eight-cylindered derivative the TR8, and its still-born fastback variant the Lynx, were dropped when the Solihull plant ceased making road-going cars (the plant continues to build Land Rovers.) The last Triumph model was the Acclaim which was launched in 1981 and was essentially a rebadged Honda Ballade built under licence from Japanese company Honda at the former Morris works in Cowley, Oxford. The Triumph name disappeared in 1984, when the Acclaim was replaced by the Rover 200, which was a rebadged version of Honda's next generation Civic/Ballade model. The BL car division was by then called Austin Rover Group which also sounded the death knell for the Morris marque as well as Triumph. The trademark is currently owned by BMW, acquired when it bought the Rover Group in 1994. When it sold Rover, it kept the Triumph marque. The Phoenix Consortium, which bought Rover, tried to buy the Triumph brand, but BMW refused, saying that if Phoenix insisted, it would break the deal. The Standard marque was transferred to British Motor Heritage Limited, along with Austin, Morris, and Wolseley marques. The Austin, Morris and Wolseley marques were later sold to MG Rover Group Ltd, on the 10th December 2003. The Standard marque is still retained by British Motor Heritage who also have the licence to use the Triumph marque in relation to the sale of spares and support of the existing 'park' of Triumph cars. The MG marque was sold to Phoenix along with the sale of the Rover brand images and a licence to use the Rover name. The Rover name was later sold to Ford, with Nanjing Automotive gaining the rights to the brand image. The Triumph name has been retained by BMW along with Riley, Rolls-Royce and Mini. In late 2007, Auto Express, on the back of continued rumours that Triumph might return under BMW ownership, ran a story showing an image of what a new version of the TR4 might look like. BMW has not commented officially on this. thanks..
  25. Visited with trav,project mayhem,shush,lorry, mr D, skanky pants After looking at Leri mill and hanging around outside a man appeared from the houses and said he owned the mill so we all got chatting at which which he said he owned another mill down the path and that we should go take pictures, on the way back up he came out and gave us a copy of some old pictures of the mills. Stupidly didn't do the other mill in the area, just an excuse to go back I suppose. Cheers. Leri Mill (the one at back) Cwm Mill